Law Enforcement should be a profession, just like doctors and nurses.
Formal education. Licensing with a college whose role is to protect the public. Malpractice insurance. Requirements to remain current, and eligible to practice.
this post was submitted on 29 Apr 2024
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It is, in most of the civilized world anyways
odd how the "civilized world" seems to have such low standards for civilization.
In the civilized world cops get arrested when they kill civilians, they still kills civilians of course but at least they get arrested when they do it.
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I wouldn't necessarily call it civilized world, but yeah for basically every country that belongs to the so called "1st world" except the US it is and it takes a few years to become a police officer.
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You don't need to study to become a police officer in the US? OMFG! You have to study 1.5-2 years in the UK and then spend months in the field under supervision as an apprentice.
The duration of the training in the Police Academy varies for the different agencies. It usually takes about 13 to 19 weeks on average but can last up to six months.
https://golawenforcement.com/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-become-a-police-officer/
Up to six months... Yikes.
In the software engineer industry, if you spent a year in a coding bootcamp, I still wouldn't trust you to know what you're doing.
There are police academics?
There should be films about them to publicise their existence.
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Sorta, kinda, depends on the jurisdiction. This is one of those things where you almost have to treat the US as 50 separate countries rather than one big one.
There are 2 year associate degree programs for police. A full degree or masters also gets you better placement, like going plainclothes detective day one. Federal level, like FBI or Marshalls, generally require higher education. Average beat cops in some 'burb, though? May or may not require anything more than a High School degree or GED.
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A friend of mine is a prison guard, in Norway, and from what I recall him telling me, a solid 6 months (out of 2 years) of the education he took to become a guard was spent studying law. It's probably more comprehensive if you want to become a police officer.
Yeah, it's always weird looking at all the ACAB messages when you live somewhere where cops actually have to have some form of education... It takes 3.5 years in school to become a cop around here and sure we still have issues with bad employees, but at the same level you would expect in any job...
If your police system prioritizes protecting its own over serving the public, and you choose to join it anyway, then you are a bastard, so in that sense ACAB is true. The problem is that a lot of people have started using it to claim that all police, everywhere, in every system are bastards, and that just undermines the whole movement and ensures that we'll never have progress.
Maybe the slogan shouldn't have been so idiotic and unnuanced. Americans seem particularly skilled at coming up with slogans that rile people up while being fundamentally shitty slogans.
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The setup is rigged so that you have to pay a lawyer to fix any issues.
Rather, it's set up so that you can't afford to pay a lawyer and become a slave to the system.
I mean they're not wrong - I wouldn't expect every policeman out there to be Phoenix Wright, but at the very least they should actually have to learn the laws that they're supposed to be enforcing
Can you stop resisting? Look at what you made them do!
They don't even abide the existing laws and rights.
"Let's try make this guy declare without a lawyer"
Yeah, whenever I see videos where cops tell them that they are not cooperating when being silent after pleading the fifth, I get furious.
You are NOT compelled to answer any questions until a lawyer is present. Not answering questions does not and in no way constitute being uncooperative. Cooperative simply means following lawful orders, so even refusing to follow unlawful orders is not obstruction, uncooperative or whatever excuse they want to put on you.
Sadly, it's probably better to let the manchild have his power trip and complain about it afterwards. Prevents acute lead poisoning.
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Police generally dont think the law should apply equally to themselves and civilians. That's most cops; a group within that thinks they should be able to create the law on-the-fly.
Should they go to school to be better at this? Irrelevant. They have a gun and the idealogical highground.
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Fucking baffling to me how the most armed country in the world doesnt train their officers. German police tends to suck ass, but to become a policeman you have to study for 3 years. And you have to pass a lot of law exams.
Where I live, the police are lazy but they are more trustworthy and are more community-oriented, unlike the American police.
At first when I heard the ACAB slogan, I thought it was rather judgemental. All cops are bad? Then I learned that the American police are hired primarily on having low IQs and receive only few weeks of training. Now I understand why Americans hate them. Not all American cops are bad, but majority of them probably are. What can we expect from hiring low IQ folks with minimal training and arm them to the teeth? No wonder the American cops are memes themselves.
ACAB as an actual term is a bit more ideological in nature, specifically, in regards to the task the police actually do, which is primarily protect the state and private property, no matter whether it's good or bad.
If the state tells the police to disrupt a protest about climate change? Then that is their job, and if they don't do it, they're effectively not doing what they're supposed to.
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Here in the US, good cops don't last very long. They either die suspiciously or get bullied off the force.
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I wonder what it would be like if passing the Bar was required to be a police officer. There would be way less police officers, that's for sure.
Nah, there would probably be fewer.
someone graduated from grammar nazi school with honors
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There would be almost none. If you are capable of being a lawyer and have the education to be one, you wouldn't choose to be a cop.
Unless it pays well and you recognize the need for law enforcement on some level, and don't have to worry about the corrupt system because it's already been gutted by this change.
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I once asked an elementary teacher what was to stop cops from breaking the law whenever they wanted and she told me that any cop breaking the law would receive double the normal punishment. I nodded my head as that made complete, reasonable sense to me. Then, as an adult, I learned THAT ISNT TRUE AT ALL! Not only do cops NOT automatically receive double the punishment, but 99% of the time the entire system will rally around to protect them if they commit a crime.
Police is the executive, not the legislative power of the power devision.
But yes they need proper training. (Dangerouse half knowledge ahead) not the few weeks/days training they get in the USA and then they are done
attorneys aren't legislative, they are judiciary.
legislative = make law judiciary = judge law executive = execute law
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Give power of life and death over others in an environment were they de facto are judged less strictly and punished less strongly than other people, to people with 3 weeks training.
What could possibly go wrong???
If only it was a question of "3 weeks training". The real brain rot of being a police officer happens as you're jumped into the street gang that is your local sheriff's deputy division.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
Its a real Learn By Doing situation. And what cops learn over time is that they are utterly unaccountable save to their immediate superiors, who all have their own political and financial agendas that diverge starkly from the ostensible job of policing.
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If any one would hear that in my country it would be the fiasco of the century. (we have had one) You aren't even allowed to go near the studying line if you have any criminal record. When the police make an mistake in my country, there will be an investigation. And the investigation is done by a party not in the normie police force, which can and does lead to convictions of the members police force.
Instead, Americans: here is your gun, go shoot and kill anything that moves, you are unimpeachable.
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The kid knows what's up. Still, to better explain to them, a good analogy IMO would be that cashiers don't necessarily study finance.
Teach them that law school is about finding loopholes, studying court precedent, and writing legal correspondence
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