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[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I'm shocked more people aren't already better prepared for this, but it's actually the same thing we should be doing now, and continue to do if Biden actually wins:

Organize locally. Get hyperlocal. Organize your city, neighbors, block, building, workplace, and friend group. Establish mutual aid networks, take back city councils, county boards, and school boards from the stewards of landlords and big employers.

Establish protection for those who need it, and plant the crop of future national leaders who will do the long overdue work of putting government to work for the masses. Make it harder for any president or governor to exercise state violence by getting our people in prosecutors offices and judgeships.

The Democrats are not going to save us. Biden is just planning to go down with the ship. Absolutely vote for the lesser of two evils if you live somewhere where your vote matters, but recognize that the Democratic party is not an ally to the antifascist movement, because combating fascism conflicts with the interests of capital.

That can change, but until it does, don't put faith in them. Anything positive they do will be because power-players were replaced. And that starts in your own neighborhood.

Edit: Since this has been well received, I want to say a quick word on third parties: don't be afraid of them.

Without getting into a lot of details, there are a lot of myths about the risks that third parties present, but before we parrot all of that, we should just acknowledge that there is no harm in listening to their platforms. It doesn't make you a kook to hear ideas that often get suppressed by the mainstream, or to use third parties as a way to network and meet people. I think Jill Stein has a lot of useful things to say, and if a pollster asks me, I will gladly try to bump her numbers up so that she is harder to ignore. Don't be afraid to do that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (7 children)

This is good, and I'm piggybacking so I can add on:

Get a passport, make friends in another country.

Vote to slow them down, yell at anyone who tries to say that it's better to not vote or that Trump would be better for Palestinians.

If you want to engage in electoral reform, you need to start years in advance.

If you live in Texas: Vote for Biden and encourage GOP voters to not vote for Trump. If you're in a place with lots of GOP weirdos, try publicly and loudly watch his rallies at 1.5x speed; I've heard it breaks the spell b/c his cadence gets disrupted. If Texas goes blue, Biden wins and all the DNC voters suddenly know they can win, making it immediately more likely.

If all else fails, remember someone might [Comment Cannot Legally Be Finished], which would solve multiple problems.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Texas was won by fewer than 633k votes. Considering Trump's popularity I'd say it's ripe for flipping but we can't lay down on the job. Also the GOP policies are pushing out liberals and people that are vulnerable (LGBTQ+ and families with LGBTQ+ kids) so the window is closing.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Stick around and keep trying to improve the country despite everyone else's best efforts to fuck it all up

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is my plan. I have to finish medical school anyways, and once I've done that, I'll be in a better position to help other people.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (18 children)

Project 2025 The plan the Conservative have for our future

This is for everyone that is taking the "oh well" stance... or the I'm going to wait it out stance... If you are unfamiliar with what the Republicans plan to do, I encourage you to look at the Project 2025 plan.

Some highlights

  • slash funding for the DOJ
  • dismantle the FBI
  • decimate environmental and climate change regulations in favor of fossil fuels
  • eliminate the department of commerce
  • ending the independence of multiple federal agencies
  • abolish the department of education
  • scientific funding would be limited to pro-conservative principles
  • end abortion nationwide
  • infuse government with Christianity
  • criminalize pornography
  • removing protections against discrimination for sexual or gender identity
  • terminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs and affirmative action
  • the military would be used for domestic law enforcement
  • the arrest and detention of undocumented immigrants
  • speedy capital punishment

Project director Paul Dans, a former Trump administration official, explained that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."

So, for fucks sake, can we stop saying that we can wait out Trump for another term. There won't be an America left if there is another term.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Good luck with criminalizing porn

Anyway it's sickening and shocking, apparently you don't need a coup and president assassination for the Gilead to emerge

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They already blocked porn sites in a couple states

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Spend a solid week posting screenshots of my comments on this platform about how the DNC is digging their own grave after they inevitably blame the voters for their loss just like in 2016.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well apparently there are no negative consequences for staging a coop.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Coup. COUP! It's not a fucking chicken house!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

He meant a co-op. A cooperative arrangement to leave the country

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

man fuck this i ain't have "flee the country" money

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

If I had a plan to respond to someone horrible getting elected president, I would've used it long before now.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (21 children)

If anyone needs help moving to the EU (and in particular Finland) let me know. I moved to Finland after 2016 (I saw the writing on the wall for awhile, before Trump - it's just that's when I finally had the best opportunity and Trump accelerated the need to move).

It takes less money to move than you might think to move. If you have a specialty (especially in STEM) it's really easy, and most jobs will even provide language classes for free.

If you don't, it's still possible, but it'll be much harder work I'll admit. You may end up as a janitor or laborer, but know this - you'll still be able to live comfortably. Wages can be much fairer here, public transportation is excellent to the point where you don't need a car at all, and you won't be bankrupted by healthcare. Even a low skilled SINGLE job will afford you financial security - something I remember was not the case in the USA.

And on the bright side, if you want to go to higher education here, university is a lot cheaper or, if you live long enough in a place to become a permanent resident or citizen, free.

If you get yourself at least 8k and 3 months of intensive Duolingo and maybe Mondly, you have a chance to move.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

The same thing I’m doing now. The same thing I did during trumps first term and Bidens too.

Build stronger ties and more resiliency within my community, organize and agitate to improve it for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just try to live my life like I did during all the bad presidents I've had over my life. I grew up protesting against George Bush Jr and my friends still died in Iraq. now I just try to live my best life, and love and help protect others. I've always been lower class and on the outside of middle class suburban America, so I'm used to just going about my life, no matter what's taboo, or illegal at the time. Hell, DnD was the devil when I was growing up and I still played it. I still smoked weed when it was illegal, and I'll still love a man even if they say I can't.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

In any sane world he’d have no chance. At least he’s shown enough incompetence and appointed so many corrupt greedy assistance, that he won’t succeed in doing as much damage as he wants, except to Ukraine. At this point it’s hard to believe he’s running for anything more than staying out of jail, making himself above the law

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Resist. Reorganize. Endure. Survive. Same as we've always done with presidents.

Idk what settlers are gonna do. Probably what they always do: whine, move to someone else's land if they're seriously inconvenienced, steal their shit, ruin that too, complain about how this keeps happening to them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Just keep doing what I am doing. My kids will have citizenship in my wife's home country by the end of summer. So I can get them out if I have to. Me personally I am in no real danger.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

nobody's going to do anything. people always say they will but they never do

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not sure. But my partner and I have an out, we will probably move to their home country and start a new life there if need be. It's kind of hard to determine when the right time to leave is.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Jump ship. Honestly, I’ll execute plan “leave the U.S. while it’s still possible.”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hope it don't turn out that's before the election. he's signalled every intent to clamp down hard

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You must realize he's pandering to the far right extremists. He had every opportunity to actually close the borders and realistically build a wall. This guy is so full of shit his eyes are brown.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Check out project 2025 to see how Trump's cronies are planning on purging the govt of anyone not loyal to Trump and MAGA and replacing them with loyalists.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (8 children)

I don't think you can state the plan legally

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If I end up on try that jury, not guilty.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (23 children)

I guess "get fucked", realistically speaking. I can't afford to leave on my own, my social life is empty of anyone else I can depend on, and I will almost certainly have a target on my back as a gay guy -- after they're done with trans people, we'll probably be next.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Get a lesbian beard now would be a decent plan to consider. Just someone you can stand enough to have as a roommate.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Laugh, fart, jack off. Probably simultaneously.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Keep doing what I have been doing - dragging MAGA fence sitters back from the brink one by one. The ones who have adopted Trumpism as their religion are too far gone. But there are a lot who just need to be taken by the hand and shown a better path.

When you see MAGA BS, challenge it with well-reasoned arguments. The object really isn't to change the mind of the poster. It's to prevent them from changing the minds of others.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

As an athiest, go get on Jesus' good side and hope for a better afterlife

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Lots of head shaking and tsktsking but no real action

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

i'll be ready to observe everything, and get a documented first hand account of fascism (assuming it happens)

Otherwise, i'll probably just shit and piss myself hoping nothing implodes. while staying very far away from the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hope it's not as bad as I think ("as bad as I think" means "mass killings;") What else can I do? Everyone else here seems to be privileged enough to have the skills or plain cash to say "I'll go somewhere else," isn't as worried as they should be, or think they're Apocalypse Badass Man (see: accelerationists.) That's not me. I'm unskilled, poor, I have the self-introspection to know I don't have what it takes to be a revolutionary.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

We'll see how bad it gets, might ride it out, might leave for somewhere better.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Same thing as last time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Move faster and work lots of overtime to get the last of my debt paid off then going to a friends place in Mexico. I speak Mexican Spanish well enough so I can avoid areas filled with expats.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Vote. He's not allowed to turn this country into a "shithole country" in his words.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Leaving the country and taking my kids in case plan 2025 starts happening.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well, we survived him once, we can do it again.

I'd still prefer to not get set back another decade by having him in office, and the danger of him never leaving office by way of dismantling all of the safeguards that prevented his coup in 2021 can't be ignored.

If there are ways I can resist, I will. If there are people I can help just by reaching out, I will extend my hand to them. I won't let Trump's hateful rhetoric poison my humanity or turn me against my fellow man.

If things get bad enough, my girlfriend and I have a "bug-out" plan that we discussed and agreed upon that basically amounts to - withdraw everything from our financial accounts, sell everything that isn't nailed down if we can or abandon everything in place, round up the family and buy plane/boat tickets to head somewhere that has low requirements for citizenship or will accept American petitions for political asylum if things get desperate enough. This is in the worst-case scenario where the U.S. descends into a full fascist/totalitarian state and there is a clear and present danger of us getting killed just for being political dissidents.

Ideally, we'd like to stay here and hope that things get better, but every year things seem to get worse and worse. The American Dream is dead and rotting, and we can just barely see a pinhole of light at the end of the tunnel for us to be able to achieve a life, but we're both left wondering if we're even going to be able to hold on to that if we do manage to seize it given how much the economy is backsliding each year.

tl;dr: the plan is to keep our heads down, but our spirits as high as possible, and always know where the closest exit is in case of an emergency.

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