Just check out any news article outside Lemmy.world on the Ukrainian war or China.
It always gets flooded by accounts from lemmygrad and hexbear doing mental gymnastics and whataboutism to justify whatever Russia or China are doing.
this post was submitted on 20 Aug 2023
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You'll also find them around and about in any sort of historical sub
Most of the tankies I've encountered have been in the comments of historymemes communities on posts about the fall of the Berlin Wall. Go in expecting Regan jokes, come out after having a 30 comment argument with someone trying to claim that the Holodomor didn't happen (like, at all, not that it wasn't intentional), that Stalin never condoned the Purges, and the Stasi weren't that bad
I've had a tankie acuse me of being libelous against North Korea by mentioning their human rights abuses.
When I presented links to the UN's reports on the subject, they just got stuck in a loop asking for sources for my claims.
Oh yeah they do that - I once brought up the cultural aspect of genocide in a discussion about Russification and was instantly told that I only cared about that definition of genocide so that I could accuse China of genociding Uygurs and any attempt to point out that no that has been the definition of genocide for a long time (see - the UN's various declarations) was met with them demanding me I show them the proof that China was really doing that.
...in an argument about the Baltics in the cold war.
I was told yesterday that North Korea was in the shape it is because of UN sanctions against workers there. LOL.
And while I can absolutely admit that the West has been problematic especially the United States in these contexts. That North Korea has done plenty to make their situation and what it is all on their own.
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The hexbear users are especially annoying as it seems to be a requirement for them that they embed the most annoying jpegs/gifs into their propaganda comments.
I've always leaned left, and not in the "American Democrat" way. I've read Marx, Engels, Kropotkin, Luxemburg, etc. Not that I agree with them on everything, but they make good points.
But every day I see tankies defend Russia just because it's not the US, I feel like I'm moving more center just out of spite.
Political movement out of spite is perfect thanks for that.
I generally agree with the goals of a more communist society, but the inability of hexbear or lemmygrad users to consider any kind of incremental progress, and the inability to recognize any single solitary good thing to happen in a capitalist country is so annoying.
How can I be interested in an ideology when every member is frothing at the mouth angry at anything that isn't classical party-speak?
Russia is not even pretending to be communist anymore. It's a full blown corrupt capitalist oligarchy. But just because it's not an US ally, they will defend it.
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Lemmy.world has most of the instances that would fall into that category blocked.
Thankfully.
Lemmy.world defederated from those instances. When I switched to a different instance I started to notice it. There are a lot of them, you just don't see them.
Lemmy.world defederated from those instances.
From which ones? Because they are still federated with lemmygrad.ml, which is by far the biggest tankie instance.
Lemmy is founded and developed by two communists and anti-US persons as a commy friendly alternative of Reddit. They also admin two (?) Lemmy instances.
I assume that after people from Reddit migrated it becomes more balanced. But still, reading news and comments in "technology" communities I feel like I read "anti-corporporate", not technology topics.
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I've seen one or two posts that had communist Nazi vibes. I just blocked the users posting them and haven't had a problem since.
The big name instances that generate these boogyman claims are blocked on Lemmy World. They're not blocked on my instance, but they also aren't really any different than any other posts from any other instances. The most cited reason isn't the content they post, but the fact the creator of the instance (in this case I am referring to Lemmygrad) is a tankie. Well they don't seem to post a helluva lot for it to matter, and the average users there aren't crazy assholes in my experience.
The Hexbear stuff, on the other hand... Every single user I've seen from that instance behaved like a 4chan troll or T_D user.
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They're blocked in your instance, just like piracy related communities.
That's why i left LW, I want to decide which communities I block
Believe me, it's tiring to block things over and over, because lemmy has the tendency to have duplicate communities every instance.
I too tried instances with zero unfederated lists. Now I just live in an instance with minimal unfederated list.
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Looking at your account, you're on a instance that is defederated with the worst offenders
Make a lemmy.ml account and pop into any thread that talks about Ukraine and you won't be confused anymore lol
Personally, I don't mind one bit that they're communist, but their trollish behavior and their tendency to act like China and Russia (and I've even seen a few for North Korea) are bastions of individual liberty, prosperity, and justice with no faults makes them exactly as annoying as the super nationalist western folks who act the same about the US or Europe (depending usually purely on where they're from).
Basically it's not a communist problem, it's a troll problem where the trolls all happen to be communist
I've just been blocking instances. I realized after the fact that I signed up with lemmy.ml, which contributes to it, but was the only instance that was quickly approving people when I signed up. It may be time to switch instances, or finally get off my ass and make my own.
I don't mind some of the ideas, but seeing people constantly sucking off Russia and China gets old in a hurry.
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You're welcome to join lemm.ee and have a look. Its not a pretty sight though
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Some of them stick to posting mostly anti-west sentiment outside their home tanky friendly instances, but if you get in the right comment section. Oh man do they get wild. Crazy pro China propoganda. Lots of Russian support cuz the west is evil.
It's mostly Hexbear, and they know they are annoying. The politics on Lemmy is... wildly different from what a regular social media looks like.
wildly different from what a regular social media looks like.
It's wildly different from what social media moderated by corporations looks like, but I'm not so sure which is "regular."
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