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Remember that time the NYT published Judith Miller's stenography for the Bush Administration's lies leading up to the war in Iraq? I'm sure they learned their lesson from that debacle, though.
I wonder what Media Bias Fact Check has to say about them?
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
What a goddamned joke.
The NYT was shitty long before that. They famously did not cover the Holocaust. Not the run up, and not even during the war.
When the camps were liberated, Americans at home had no idea who was in the camps.
The owner of the NYT was later asked about their failures in covering the Holocaust and the buildup, and said with a shrug "the NYT didn't really cover the Holocaust".
As a note the owner of the NYT was Jewish. But didn't want to be associated with poor Jews.
didn’t want to be associated with poor Jews.
Emphasis mine.
It's class warfare all the way down.
I hadn't heard this, anything you can link to for deeper reading?
The Behind the Bastards podcast recently covered it.
Jeez I don't understand why there's so much hate for this bot /s
I really wish Rooki would listen to the community about this silly bot. But they won't, and their staunch defense in the face of criticism suggests an ulterior motive.
Tinfoil hat time: I think they got a Ground News sponsor for Lemmy (GN started an ad campaign just as this started) and are trying to look unbiased by having both GN and MBFC... in every single news post.
Yeah I had a similar feeling about ground news. I had assumed the bot was at least created by someone who works there, using whatever algorithm that site uses to rate sources. The fact that’s it’s mentioned in every post really rubs me the wrong way, on top of how shitty the bot is at doing what it’s supposed to. And yet, it’s still around. What do we have to do to finally get rid of it?
Am I late or oblivious? Is grte the bot? I couldn’t tell from the post history. Or is this way, way over my old-aged head?
No, as far as I know @[email protected] was just quoting the @[email protected] bot to show how shitty it is.
They also kept doubling down on their reporting of systemic sexual violence on Oct 7. Family members of the victims disputed that sexual violence was a component of their murders. They have not retracted this reporting.
The "great" part about how absolute shit NYT is, is how after the "great media consolidation" ~15 years ago when most of the major outlets were bought by billionaires the first thing they did was cut their investigation and research departments in favor of "copying" the NYT stories...
They don't care about quality, or content, they're the typical business school jackass type that thinks "ThE BrAnD mEAnS eVeRyThInG!" As in: you'll eat whatever I serve and you'll keep doing it because of the name I bought.
Same shit is happening with so called "AAA" game developers (Bethesda... Among others) except this isn't fucking clothing. Gucci sells because people want the name. The Washington Post can go fuck themselves, no one but Bezos cares about the name.
NYT will go further and count it as 2 separate lies and clearly demonstrate how both sides are basically the same
FUCK NYT
TRUMP: Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
Fox News: cums
For people asking what this is about, I didn't look at the NYT because of the paywall, but here's an article that's very similar in tone from NPR.
Although they do state
The dozen Harris statements lacking in context are far less in comparison to 162 misstatements, exaggerations and outright lies that NPR found from Trump’s hour-long news conference Aug. 8.
the following items are really nit-picky. It's laid out as a list of misleading statements, but reading the details of each makes me think "ok, so basically true, then".
I feel like some loud conservatives made NPR freak out and now they're trying to sprinkle in stories like this.
Because the moment conservatives run things again, they'll absolutely continue gutting public radio.
It's because back in April some right-wing nutjob editor quit NPR claiming an atmosphere of bias. So he fled to right-wing outlets (where he conveniently ignores their right-wing bias) and now NPR decides they need to go back to balancing the scales of the BoTh SiDeS bullshit.
https://www.npr.org/2024/04/17/1245283076/npr-editor-uri-berliner-resigns-ceo-katherine-maher
Some of the "misleading" statements were Harris neglecting to enumerate the reasons why a stated policy goal might not succeed, which would be incredibly unusual to include in a speech of this nature.
I guess the point the author was trying to make was that saying you "will" do something in office is a promise, and if you don't have the ability to guarantee that promise can be kept you shouldn't say that thing at all? I love me some NPR but they're really bending over backwards with some of these...
This was exactly the vibe I got reading their article about his military service.
It’s hard for sociopaths to believe that there are people who aren’t sociopaths
I don't get it, is the joke that NYT is secretly pro trump or something?
It's that they're fact checking trivialities. You have one fact check where Trump says "The stock market was up 10,000% during my Presidency". Then there's another fact check where Kamala says "I remember seeing the sunset in Pittsburgh that day" when she was already gone by mid afternoon. These are rated as equal lies in the tally.
It's not so much that they are deliberately pro Trump. It's that their need for false "balance" and "objectivity" stops them from calling out any one side when the lies are so much more egregious.
There's a recent Behind the Bastards podcast that covers how the liberal media handled the rise of Adolf Hitler, including the New York Times. The reasons for their behavior haven't changed, they never did any post-war introspection on what went wrong, and they're making exactly the same mistakes with Trump. The only media that can look back on that time and be proud of how they reported it were explicitly communist newspapers that never tried to hide their bias.
Trump can complain about the "liberal media" as much as he wants. He needs them to behave in exactly the way they do or he wouldn't get anywhere.
That’s exactly why he’s complaining. He knows they’ll pull this shit so they can claim to be fair. He may be an idiot, but he’s an expert at manipulating the press.
By this point it's well established fact that the Times is far more likely to attack Democrats over relatively trivial points when it ought to be attacking Republicans over important points. There's various speculation as to why. Ownership of the newspaper is a factor. Trying to appear centrist is definitely a second factor.
And that newspaper does a very bad job of it. But I sympathize with any paper who tries to be centrist because at some point you either align your reporting with reality or you lose credibility. And many of us realize years ago that the Times just doesn't have much credibility to spare.
OT, but as a non-native English speaker, what would you say in a greeting like that if it was, say, 1:00 AM?
What would you say, "Good _____"?
Doesn't "Good night" come with a strong connotation of leaving and going to sleep? (Or expecting the other side to do so?)
(I'm from Czech Republic and we just don't have such term.)
In Australia, G'day works 24 hours.
Honestly I prefer saying "Good Day" in Czech as well (that's the most abundant one used here).
At some point I realized that the whole thing has silent "I wish you", which also means that if I say "Dobrý den" (=="Good day") I'm actually being more generous. So correcting me to "Dobrý večer" (== "Good evening") because it's 7 PM or whatever is actually not just petty but also kind of a dick move.
(Edit: I also realize that my explanation is probably the pinnacle of pettiness, with just a little pinch of dickmoveines on top...)
You are correct. Good night means that whatever you've been doing is over. The media is bending over backwards trying to appear "fair", but it just results in moments like this.
It's the tan suit scandal all over again.
Evening or Morning would work there. Good Night is typically a parting idiom. Even if it's technically correct.
I've found that the answer depends on what region of the US you're from. The UK probably does it differently, but I'm with @[email protected]. If it's dark out, you're definitely greeting with "good evening."
"Halt! You are in violation of curfew!"
No, you'd say "good evening" in the U.S.
"He came to me and said, 'Good Morning!'"
"The nerve!"
"'I hope you have a great day!'"
"The nerve!!"
"And I was like, 'WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO??'"
"Fuck Walz! He's got eyeballs for testicles!"