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Maybe this is better for everyone (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 2 months ago (81 children)

I like and admire vegans.

I probably should be vegan because I am lucky enough to have the economic privilege to support that kind of lifestyle.

But, as with many other communities centered around lifestyle topics, I would never want to participate in a vegan community. Lifestyle communities always become insular and echo-chambery, so you become a pariah if you don't properly adhere to 100% of the community consensus behaviors.

Not just vegans, but you see it happen with fitness communities, diy/home decor, a lot of hobbies, etc.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm just keeping an eye out for good recipes.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

so you become a pariah if you don't properly adhere to 100% of the community consensus behaviors.

You don't pocket mulch?!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

I’m a level 5

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 months ago (33 children)

Isn't this something that the fediverse was explicitly designed to support?
We're making fun of them for making use of one of the foundational features of the platform?

If they don't like it there, they can move again. And again. Or host their own instance.

Idk what this creepy vicarious butthurt is about, or why it has become so popular.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Circle jerking against vegans is a pasttime of the Internet denizens

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but it's a pretty pathetic passtime. At least find a good reason, rather than doing literally the thing you want them to do.

Like, insulting them for leaving is just as bad as them crying that their toxic behavior scares people away. It makes no sense.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 months ago (16 children)

I mean, leaving .world is a pretty fair response. That community is full of insufferable idiots, but an admin overrode their moderating decisions, and then the admin team made up rules to retroactively justify their decision. That's pretty egregious.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (9 children)

I'm no fan of Lemmy.world but I'm even less of a fan of dead cats.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, to be clear, you should not feed your cat a Vegan diet. Cats are obligate carnivores. Synthetic Taurine has made vegan catfood somewhat more viable, but cats don't just need Taurine from prey. They need several vitamins, amino acids, and fatty acids from animal protein to survive. Beyond that, their digestive tract isn't very efficient at digesting plant matter, so even if these foods have the nutritional value they need, they might not be absorbing it. Also, a lot of these products seem to be made from grains and other carb heavy products, and cats need a very low carb, high protein diet. If you want to completely divest from the meat industry, you simply shouldn't own a cat.

That being said, Vegan catfood products are on the market, so whether or not they are good for cats, they have been approved by several regulating bodies. You can claim that they're unsafe (I certainly do), but having an admin nuke a comment section for claiming otherwise is a huge overreaction. It would be like going into a vape community and banning accounts that claimed vaping is safer than smoking; it probably isn't, but I don't need admins deciding who gets to have discourse about that.

Finally, I'm also not a fan of dead cats, but if you're dumb enough to take veterinary advice from an internet vegan group, you're probably too dumb to keep a cat alive anyway.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Vegan catfood products are on the market, so whether or not they are good for cats, they have been approved by several regulating bodies

Yeah, that's not how it works. Especially in countries with extreme regulatory capture like the US.

Unless a product has text that says in a very specifically worded way that it's been tested and approved by a relevant regulatory body, it hasn't.

The fact that something hasn't been taken off the market YET does not necessarily mean that it's been approved. Especially not when you're dealing with politically volatile stuff that could lead to lengthy public lawsuits sapping the resources of the already chronically underfunded and understaffed agencies.

If it's vegan food for obligate carnivores, it MIGHT technically be "safe" (as in won't be outright lethal), but for the reasons you yourself mentioned, it's likely to significantly decrease the animal's enjoyment of life at best and more likely to be downright torturous.

It would be like going into a vape community and banning accounts that claimed vaping is safer than smoking

Except for the fact that those accounts would be absolutely right and have reams of scientific evidence from the world's foremost experts in related fields to back up their claims. Unlike the people abusing cats in the name of not abusing animals.

it probably isn't

It is. It's not even anywhere near the next city over from the neighborhood of close.

but I don't need admins deciding who gets to have discourse about that

Except limiting the spread of dangerous misinformation, such as common myths that are keeping smokers away from one of if not THE most effective smoking cessation tool, is a big part of what admins are FOR.

if you're dumb enough to take veterinary advice from an internet vegan group, you're probably too dumb to keep a cat alive anyway

Yeah..that's not a valid argument either. A lot of vegans avoid getting a cat because they're too overzealous in their veganism to even want carnivorous animals to eat meat.

The Venn diagram of people vegan enough to love carnivores but refuse to give them meat and people who would trust a vegan online echo chamber more than competent veterinarians is a circle within a bigger circle.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago (56 children)

My biggest gripe with vegan communities is that a lot of them have an "All or Nothing" mentality, going fully vegan is a luxury not everyone can afford, and yet I find mainly malice when trying to talk about reducing ones own reliance on meat and other animal products in online communities.

And veganism, if taken to the "no suffering of sentient beings" full extreme, forbids buying things (not just food) produced by slavery. And those things, especially electronics and clothes, are not financially viable for most to be bought without any slavery involved in any step whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unsolicited advice: Your goal is to do no more or less than the best you can. If you're doing that, no one got shit on you.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Which is precisely why they will get along with the tankies so well. Both treat the very idea of nuance as an existential threat to the point where everything much be driven by the most extreme degree of moral panic or nothing at all.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago (21 children)

I see a lot more vegan hate than vegans.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (7 children)

No one hates vegans. Almost everyone hates vegan extremists.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (19 children)

No one hates vegans, but everyone loves to post vegan hate or idiotic "bacon" posts.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I had a look at the community yesterday, every post bar one was about vegan cat food for the last week. They're not taking this well at all.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

I just had a look myself after your comment and cannot confirm your claim at all. There are, understandably, quite a few posts about this debacle and the future of their sub but more than half is stuff related to veganism not related to cats.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (39 children)

Yeah I respect vegans, and applaud them for their life choices. I'm not in a position to, or willing at this point to become a vegan, but I looked at their community... Mostly insults when referring to any meat eater. Yeah, I respect them a fair bit less now.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Lemmy dot world definitely doesn't circlejerk, no siree.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

casual drive-by meme;

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"oh no, the vegans are leaving!" said no-one ever

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (7 children)

"We taught a lion to eat Tofu"

I mean what a fucking mountain to die on. Bravo to all involved this has been quite entertaining.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I suspect the mountain to die was the admin actions removing moderators. Vegan cat food is pretty rarely discussed amongst actual vegans. It just happens to appear to be a "wedge issue" that kind of looks like a gotcha if you squint, thus it's beloved by anti-vegan trolls.