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Why is it that Americans refer to 24 hour time as military time? I understand that the military uses the 24hr format but I don’t understand why the general public would refer to it like that?

It makes it seem like it’s a foreign concept where as in a lot of countries it’s the norm.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the US, the 12-hour clock format is in widespread use, except in the military. That is why it's called like that.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It’s interesting that it’s not as widespread amongst the public.As far as I know, the rest of the world either uses it or is able to understand it whereas I’ve had the opposite with Americans. I’m a very limited sample size though.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Americans understand it just fine.

Just like I understand what a meter is, but in real life, I would NEVER use the meter as a unit of measurement.

Yeah, I know metric is the better system, I agree. This isn't about that. It's about saying something and not making the listener take a moment to convert it into how they relate to the world.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Look up the "theory of American exceptionalism". In short there is a very strong belief here that America is one of a kind and things that may work for others simply don't apply here.

Explains why the US stocks a 12hr clock, messed up month/day/year mission, imperial measurement and a ton of other things that any foreigner will find anywhere from quirky to infuriating.

IMHO the exceptionalism theory is a b.s. lazy way of keeping things conservative and unchanged and shutting down any discussion of uncomfortable progress.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

It's not even imperial measurements - the US has its own customary units.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

US and international date standards all suck : ISO8601 on the other hand is beautiful

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's standard in Canada as well. I prefer 24hr personally. There were a couple times where I've napped in the evening, and woke up thinking I was late for work in the morning. Not fun. 24hr clock solves that. Plus it just makes more sense to me than 12hr clocks.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I live in the US and I've never met someone who isn't able to understand it. They might need to convert it in their heads to compare it with other times.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because the average American is much more likely to bump into American military personnel than people from countries that use 24 hour time. It's really as simple as that.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (12 children)

And this isn't because we're uncultured swine, it's because we're separated by two oceans from most countries.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Lots of good answers here, but I don't see anyone mentioning the minor differences between military time and 24 hour. With military time, they don't use a colon when writing it, and they always verbally say the leading zero. So a time using a 24 hour clock is written 06:00 or 6:00 and said verbally as "six o'clock", but with military time, it is written as 0600 and said verbally as "Oh six hundred hours".

That's it. That's the only difference. Though many Americans do indeed incorrectly call any 24 hour clock "military time". I myself used to say it incorrectly when I was a kid because my parents said it incorrectly.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Given how they use different systems to measure almost everything than the rest of the world, I'd say I'm OK with them not using the 24h format, I'd expect them to use something like the 27 American hours, divided in 109 minutes of 31 seconds each.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

You mean the 50 hour freedom clock? One hour for each state, yee-haw!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You mean freedom minutes, right??

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Its because in America most people's only experience with it is when the movie says "meet here at 0700 hrs." Really isn't much deeper than that, we also call "ranger green" "ranger green" whether an army ranger is wearing it or not, despite it really being "just a shade of green." Sometimes things are just called things.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just remember, civilian Americans aren't the one who named the time system that includes "Oh Six Hundred Hours" Military Time. It was the Goddamned Military. And when the Goddamned Military fucking tells you what something is called, you fucking call it that. No questions.

So we could flip our clock displays to 24 hour time and meet at 14 o'clock, but we'd still be civilians and unworthy to use Military Time. So why bother? Working 9 to 5 is bad enough, working 9 to 17 sounds too fucking exhausting.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow, 9-17 really does sound like a long fucking day, whereas 9-5 sounds way shorter.

But they're both the same and both far too much time spent at work.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

8 hours vs. -4 hours. I know what shift I'm picking, suckers.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Joke's on you, have fun with your 20 hours shifts.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

The military have longer days than us plebs. They have twenty-four hundred hours when we get a measly twenty-four.

Unfair.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

as an american i must say i HATE this as well. people ask me why i use military time and i say it's because there are 24 hours in the day so it makes much more sense to me. and that in other parts of the world they call it international time with the military having nothing to do with it.

makes me wanna scream. thank you for letting me go off.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I keep telling people metric time is where it's at but they just look at me like I'm crazy

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not sure if you’ve had the same experience but I had an American colleague ask me what I meant when I didn’t give the time in the 12hr format. The message was something like, “I’ve booked the meeting for 14:00”

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s called genericide. They encounter the 24 hour measure of time primarily through the US military and its service members so all 24 hour time generally gets called military time.

Similar to why facial tissue is often Kleenex or adhesive bandages are Band-aids in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Here in California, I've heard both "military time" and "24 hour time" used interchangeably for writing the time as "03:45" or "16:20". That said, I've heard -- citation needed -- that proper military time does not use the colon, such as "1600", pronounced as "sixteen hundred hours".

As for why the public might refer to this generally as "military time", it may just be that that's the most common, well-known use-case in the States, outside of the sciences. I personally use 24 hour time on all my devices, but I've come across many people who prefer clockfaces or AM/PM, probably out of habit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

By the book, you’re right. No colon when written, and if the last two digits aren’t “00” they are supposed to be pronounced individually.

4:45pm = 1645 = “Sixteen Four Five hours”. (Or “Fooor fife” if you’re a pedant about radios.)

That’s all well and good trivia, in practice it’s usually said “Sixteen forty five” because yeah ain’t nobody got time for all that.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I spent 20 years in the US military. I had to quickly learn "military time" in order to function, as we were taught 12-hr time growing up in school. I was surprised when I traveled the world and discovered that everyone else uses "military time" (read: international time) as well. I guess Americans just really wanna do their own thing.

I exclusively use military time nowadays. If someone doesn't understand the time I stated, I'll correct it to 12-hr time on the spot, as converting is super easy. Just count back 2 hours and drop the 10's digit by one; e.g. 1600 = 4 PM. 2200 = 10 PM. Etc.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Let’s go out to eat, I made reservations for 7.

Are we having breakfast or dinner?

Without context, tough to tell. That’s why 24hr is superior.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dinner, because if it's earlier than 7 AM and you're inviting me to an impromptu breakfast, we're not friends anymore, and I'm going back to sleep.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Saturday, I'm going to bed at 9. Forensic that one out.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Lunch. It's 7 people.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Except that's not actually an issue in practice. In a real-world conversation you would disambiguate with "Let's get breakfast" or "Let's get dinner" if you're not referring to the immediate future. I honestly can't think of a single time that I've been genuinely confused in this way.

Edit: Also, when would you ever make reservations for breakfast? Unless this is a joke that's gone over my head.

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[–] DirigibleProtein 17 points 1 year ago

Local or Zulu?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh wow. That explains a lot. I always thought that when Americans said “military time”, they meant Zulu time, that is 24h time UTC.

TIL it’s just sparkling 24h local time.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The average American is likely to have more interaction with American service men and women than Europeans. Most Latin immigrants I know use the 12 hour clock. While the 24 hour clock is preferred in many countries, they are not the countries that immigrate to the US in large enough numbers to influence us or expose us to the 24 hour clock like our own military does.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

For the people where 24h time is normal …. Is that a more recent development it’s the ubiquity of digital clocks, or would people have also used 24h time with analog clocks, despite them not having a way to display that?

—- looking around, realizing I still hav analog clocks all over because I wanted my kids to be familiar with them. That boat sailed

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I have owned multiple analog watches with a 24 hour face so it isn't like they don't exist they just are far from common place.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Note Zulu Time (mission time) is equal to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) everywhere in the world.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

GMT observes daylight savings as it is in Greenwich England, this is not consistent between countries. UTC does not observe daylight savings.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It is literally a foreign concept to the vast majority of them (only other countries use it widely in everyday life) and the military is one of the very few contexts in which they will experience it.

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